*** Winnergambling´s PLO beginners video series thread ***

[Winnergambling]

In this thread, you can comment on Winnergambling´s free PLO video series available on this site. Feel free to post any comments on hands, plays, suggestions to future videos etc.

[Winnergambling]

Third video (heads-up $100-$200 buy-in) is added (available tomorrow when we open the site for users again). Post your comments and questions here.

[_DJ_]

THIS IS COMMENTARY FOR THE 6MAX VID

4:50 You say you've set PTHUD to only show stats after 100 hands of sample size. This is way too high. Even after just 20 hands if HUD shows someone playing 70/40 or 90/5 it is solid information, just to be taken a with a little more caution. Most random fish you encounter you won't be playing for 100 hands anyway because they'll go broke before that.

6:21 AA22ss you 4ball pre and on K65ss flop you say it's "pretty good chance he has kings" It's more like the K on the flop makes it less likely he has KKxx. If he's a good player he should've mucked KKxx pre anyway after you 4bet him (unless it's some great kings like KKQJ. Most likely he has any4 connected cards, but you'd be surprised with what kind of crap people call you when they put you on aces. You flop huge, so your main concern should just be with sizing, how much to bet to get him to shove. You bet 60 into 78 which I think is fine. Obv. you did say that you're getting it in here no matter what, but I would've liked to have you emphasize that you hit a huge flop and crush his range, just looking to get max chips in.

~19.00 Limping aces you say is the best play. You have AA78ss which are above average aces. The button limps in with any4 which is very weak. I say raise for value. You'll probably be around 65% equity favorite. Don't you raise AK in the small blind if the button limps in in NLHE (roughly the same equity)? You'll be able to pick up a lot of pots on the flop with a CBET
and also your hand flops reasonably well. Raising aces here gives you more credit when you raise rundowns, doublepairs and such. Having most aces in your range you can more easily pick up pots when the flop comes 224 etc.
Only when you have the worst aces like AA72r I think just completing the SB is a better option.

~32.00

You cbet $11 to a $12.85 pot flop Q22r when you have kings. I think the bet is too big, something around $7-9 is more like it. Very dry flop. You can't stand a raise. Cbetting less makes it cheaper to buy pots.

~32.40

You say you'd limp behind AQ42ds on the button? Why? EZ raise, but I guess this is somewhat style dependant. Most people who limp in are weak players, just raise to isolate and cbet take it down. That's much more profitable than limping behind, in which case (a multiway limped pot) your hand has very few favorable flops. In a raised pot you can play more flops more aggressively, such as top pair + fd etc.


42.30

You limp behind AK27ss with three of a suit. I think this is a marginal leak in anything but the most passive and soft games. The game you were playing might have been such a spot, though, so I don't hate it but maybe would've given a disclaimer saying that's a play for the softest games.

44.20

You open limp QQ59ss in hijack and say it's an ok play. What do you do to balance your range so that you're not too easy to put on a hand like that when you do open limp?

48.45

You bet your set for value on a flush board on the river, which is the right play given how the hand went down. You could've mentioned though that this is a good spot to check HUD for the villain's check raise river-stats, if he's a habitual check-raiser, probably better to check behind unless you have say the blokker nut card and are therefore prepared to call a c/r.



As a sidenote to the whole video, as you only play 2 tables and have downtime, I'd like you to talk more about different scenarios. Say for example that AKKJds hand where you floptop pair with gutshot + 2 backdoor flushdraws. There you cbet for pot (again I think a bit too much for a rainbow board) and take it down. Now instead of moving onto the next hand, you could discuss what you'd do if you get raised, or called and what you do on different turn cards.

[Winnergambling]

Gotta watch the vid again to remember some of those hands. I drop answers after that

[Winnergambling]

I made a recording last night, which I will put up as an "advanced PLO-strategy" video - I think the name for it will be "destroying mid-stakes"

This video will work as more advanced PLO strategy tips and I am not commenting any basic stuff in it anymore. I was contemplating if I reveal too much in it for free, but I decided that one a bit more advanced video is OK as a sample - it works as a better sample video on my PLO-coaching services, because I will comment on some advanced strategy themes on the video, which I of course go through on personal coaching too for already somewhat competent students (players that are already break-even players or better).

But well, the vid will be up tonight after I have attached commentary into it and uploaded it.

[_DJ_]

I watched your satellite video. I've always hated satellites and never really took the time to study them. However my dream is to luckbox in some big live event, and since I can't afford 10k buyins, I'll probably have to play some satellites first.

You talked quite a lot about the concept of when you reach the average bubble chips, you stop playing. How do you factor in the blinds? If you stop playing early on, you won't have the average for long because the blinds will eat you away?

[Winnergambling]

Originally Posted by _DJ_

You talked quite a lot about the concept of when you reach the average bubble chips, you stop playing. How do you factor in the blinds? If you stop playing early on, you won't have the average for long because the blinds will eat you away?

Yeah that´s right. BUT as I mentioned - you don´t need to have average ticket winner stack to qualify. Much less is enough. So basically - if you have average bubble stack (as shown how to calculate on video), and there are only 2 more or so to drop before bubble, then you can very well start folding since there are more smaller stack who will drop anyway before you dry up because of the blinds.

One needs some practice on this how to determine when it´s safe to start folding already. Play a couple of satellite tournies and get a "feel" for it.


I´ll answer your questions about the 6-max vid later next week!