(Sad?) Stories about onlinegambling by Natcracker

[samppa]

Btw is Betsson only casino that advertises bonuses ”up to 100€” and meaning that maximum bonus is awarded with 100€ deposit? Or do I just have old information.
-Nat-

I transfer 1 000 € to betsson, because I thought the bonus was 10-40 % up to 100 €. I even did complain about the first bonus (10 % bonus to deposits up to 100 €) to live chat and realized at the same time that I had misunderstood the bonus terms.

[A-J]

Like I said before I was inspired to gambling by asikainl's blog. After that I have had below zero motivation to poker. I had to force myself to clear reloadbonus that I was deposited for. It wasn't big money but even more than that, a principle.

I have noticed exactly the same effect. I have played poker for over 4 years and it has been my main source of income. After I discovered casino bonuses my motivation to poker has totally dissappeared. It´s just too easy to make money with casino bonuses if you compare it to playing poker (I have always played fixed limit, which is even more stressing than other forms of poker - variance is just that SICK in FLHE).

It´s just too bad that this casino-boom won´t last forever. I think it´s quite obivious that at some point most of the casinos will ban finnish players as we "abuse" bonuses too much. It is clearly showing already (VC-casino, Minivegas group etc etc.).

[Natcracker]

Weekend is almost over so it's time to write something here. I just busted 2 casinos. Another one with semi-aggressive style and another with aggressive. I don't know is that semi-aggressive right word, but how would you describe 3x5 bets with 100€ roll for 50% postwager bonus?

Those casinos were 10bet and Bet356. So all numbers are against me today. (Yeah, bad ”joke”, but eve I cant always hit correctly ) Now I just wait for reloads. Atleast they can't judge me as bonusabuser.

Ofcourse these kind of things doesn't make your mood go to roof, but I'm not gonna slit my wrists for that. Moments like these you just want to remember your big winnings and accept that variance. You cant win everytime.

At my first blogpost (or was it second, cant remember) I promised to tell some of historical bonuses. I've tried to think how can I do it easily. I've desided to just a list, and a short description how it was palyed. If there happened something intresting I'll write little bit more of it sometimes. And if someone wants to read more about some bonus, I'll tell if I can remember.
Some of these casinos have coverplay winnings included. List goes in same order that asikainl's list and have no chronological order.

Many of you understands, but just incase. Deposit is amount deposited (suprise), Result is amount withdrawn, EV is expected value, Wins is profit, Wins vs EV is result compared to EV.

Casino Deposit Result EV Wins Wins vs EV
Casno on net 200 400 160 200 40 Basic grinding
Ladbrokes 150 450 135 300 165 Semi-aggressive
Casinoclub 150 225 130 75 -55 Basic grinding
Golden Palace 100 250 280 150 -130 Basic grinding
Littlewoods 100 257 90 157 67 Basic grinding
32Red 100 0 60 -150 -210 Basic grinding
Red Lounge 100 390 80 290 210 Basic grinding
Party 100 0 90 -100 -190 Aggressive
10Bet 150 0 55 -150 -205 Semi-aggressive
Betfair 100 251 90 151 61 Basic grinding

Here's first ten casinos. Numbers have been taken from my books, so they are pretty right. EV is directly from asikainl's almost legenday lists.

I just noticed, that theres nowhere notes about how big the bonus was, but if you really want to know, check from the list. And ofcourse you can make some conclusions from EV.

Is there any smart way to get an array to post. That one is so very ugly, and too hard to make?

-Nat-

[Winnergambling]

Is there any smart way to get an array to post. That one is so very ugly, and too hard to make?

I am not an expert in this area (yet), but attached screenshot or attached excel-file should do it.

[Natcracker]

It's official. I hate numbers.

Minutes ago I busted Suite332.
It all seemed shiny and fun, when I yesterday thought that I've completed WR.
But oh no. No, no, no. Today I came from work and read my email, where was this message from S332 which said that I haven't completed WR.
Reason, why I was confused was because yesterday when I finished, I looked that bonus segment, which tells you how much there's left to wager and bonus was disapearred, So obiviously I thought that I was clear.

I went back to casino and started to play 3x$20. Deck was frozen and suddenly I was down to $150 (I started with $400). I thought that I'm not gonna waste anymore of my time and betted 3x$50. Couple of wins and woops, balance was up to $1000. Then mr Freeze came back.

On email they said that I had left to wager about $4500 and mathgenious like me quiqly counts that 10 rounds of 3x$50 makes total wager of $1500 and three times that makes...

After meeting wagering demands my balance was lousy $200 which is smaller than original deposit. So this was place to gamble. 2x$100 and quess the result as I'm not actually bragging here...

-Nat-

[Natcracker]

February Frenzy cleared completly today, so it's time for final summary.

Total deposits 400€
Total withdraws 620€
Total winnings 220€

Time spended to all these 4 bonuses together is about 5 hours. I mostly used grinding method, because I'm building new roll to moneybookers. I still use aggressive method to some bonuses, especially when I feel like to gamble. But these deposits are made from Neteller, if possible.

I just have this weird thing that I prefer absolute money over high EV and hourly rate. This is why I deposited to monybookers only 100€. I'll try to play so, that There's only one deposit from my bank account. And so far it's worked pretty well.

I just looked my books and noticed that I still run about $800 under EV. It's funny thing that eventhough dollars are running in so that older ones are almost rotten and still your books tell you that there's much more money to grab.

Have a good games, folks.

-Nat-

[Wakke]

February Frenzy cleared completly today, so it's time for final summary.

Total deposits 400€
Total withdraws 620€
Total winnings 220€

-Nat-

Did you make four 100€ deposits? If so, you don't have to do it (unless you wanted to withdraw your money between bonuses) , just transfer your money to sportsbook. When new bonus comes, transfer 100€ to casino.

[Natcracker]

Did you make four 100€ deposits? If so, you don't have to do it (unless you wanted to withdraw your money between bonuses) , just transfer your money to sportsbook. When new bonus comes, transfer 100€ to casino.

Yes, I deposited every time that 100€ and after grinding I withdrawn for couple of reasons: a) Like I said I'm building that bankroll on mb, so every euro counts and b) I didn't know that it was possible. Their pokerbonuses can't be claimed, if you didn't make new deposit.

But this is goot to know for future.

-Nat-

[Natcracker]

This post is propably little longer than usual, because I have several issues.

1)
I read at night this blog to see what I've been lying to you. I noticed that there was one question that I've not noticed at all. Sorry about that.

Before I wrote that I'd like to wonder in public that law which -at least on poker community- made a big confusions. You propably remember this prof. Kalle Määttä's report, that would quarantee money back to losers on pokertables. I think that same law would affect to onlinegambling too. After all, all these dollars that are played in casinos outside Finland is away from allmighty RAY. But its so complicated issue that it would take it's own thread. And my english isn't good enough to write any reasonable converstion about that.

Altough I've not been following anymore what is situation of that now, so it might already be old issue.

2)
I played Suite332's reload bonus this weeked with good success. Or so it seet this far. I've cleared WR and I've done coverplay. Reason why I'm still not sure about final result is that on first deposit bonus I thought that I've clearde, but they send me email, where they told me that I wasn't. So still waiting final results. So far it theres pending a withdraw of $1500, but still I have to wait until fat lady sings.

Weird thing that I noticed on S332. I wagered BJ with 2x$50 and kept book about my wagering. When I was almost finished I looked from official page that how much I've done. I was very suprised to see that It was only half of what my own counts were.
I took one more round and checked again. WR was gone down just $50, eventhough I wagerd $100.
Is it possible that there's some limit that only $50 can be reduced on one round on BJ. When I played Let 'em Ride, my bet was $25. And as you whi have played that game knows the money that goes at beginning to table is then $75. Funny thing here is that I played one hand and looked again my bonus status. WR was reduced by $75. So I got 3 times more wager than I actually risked. Is this some kind of bug or what?
There were also some problems with cards dealt face down to me, but I've wrote about them to another thread, si if you want to know, look ”Suite332 firs deposit bonus”-thread. Or something like that.

3)
RedLounugue CasinoPokerMania
Now one of my favourite games is Let 'em ride, so I decided to play this one. Those, who doesn't know this one, you have to play 1000 hands of some casinopoker game, and they will give you £50. I deposited £100 and start grinding wit 1x£1. Everything looked good for a while, and I was running good. When my roll took a dive, couple hands later I got quads. I'll try to attatch screenshot of it here, but no promises. This is pretty fast game to play and so.
Well I busted, and made another deposit of £100. With that I got that 1000 hands palyed but my roll was so small and decided to gamble. I lost. And that's all that I have to say about that.

4)
Stan James welcome bonus.
Nothing really intersting happened here, but little winnigs anyway. This makes good to my monybookers account.
Well, maybe a word of warning here. Their banking pages are really slow. And this is bad thing because nature of this bonus. It's sticky type 2-one and reques several small withdraws. I can't suggest this one, if you have rush. Ofcourse it could just my hurry nature, but it really took time before I was able to withdraw one hands winnings.
Plus, as reported before this is nowdays owned by same corporate that owns Bet Direct. I wasn't able to play both, with one email address. Maybe with another address it could be done, but if they doesn't allow you to register to both sites with your real information, I think that they mean that it's not allowed. But what do I know.

5)
Betsson February Frenzy.
This one is reported couple of posts ago.

6)
Alljacpots.
Busted in Baccarat, so nothing more really to report.

That's pretty much it for this weekend. I propably will play somethin now. I'll report if somethin spectacular happends.

-Nat-

[Jsi]

3)
I deposited £100 and start grinding wit 1x£1.
Well I busted, and made another deposit of £100. With that I got that 1000 hands palyed but my roll was so small and decided to gamble. I lost. And that's all that I have to say about that.

-Nat-

I dont mean to be rude or anything but why the **** you deposit 100£ for a bonus like this?

As theres no limits in deposits I deposit the minimum it takes to get the 500 or 1000 games played.